Gevlon has a post up today about a little situation in our guild the other night concerning a guildie who got saved to ICC and then when asked why in guild chat replied with, ‘That’s your problem.’ Apparently Gevlon got whispers that he should kick the ‘traitor’, which I find incredible as if you know Gevlon that is a good way to find yourself kicked as a result. However, I did reply in guild chat myself at being disappointed in his decision to get saved. And he won’t find me bending over backwards to help him in the future either. Does this make me a dreaded social?
ICC is starting to become hugely important, and that is for one reason: weapon upgrades. At the moment I have 232 weapons. The only upgrades I can get are from ICC or Arena. The problem with Arena weapons is that they require an 1800 rating. The problem with getting that rating is that once you find yourself above 1200 your opponents for the most part have ICC weapons. So you hit a sort of advancement brick wall. There aren’t that many daggers in ICC either. And we cannot include drops from 25mans as we’re not going to get into those in the forseeable future. Lets have a look at them and where they drop:
Bloodsipper, which drops from the Blood Queen.
Flesh carving Scalpel, which drops from Putricide.
That’s it. Oh, the Lich King has a drop as well but yeah, I don’t think we’ll be seeing him anytime soon. Lets be honest, I don’t like our chances of seeing these two bosses anytime soon either with a once a week raid that some ‘smart guildies’ give up on to go and PuG the first boss with another group.
And if we manage to get one of these bosses down and one of these 2 daggers drop? Every rogue in the raid will be wetting themselves over these. And here is the big problem with guildies pugging this raid over coming with us. Gevlon announced a few weeks ago that we would be using a GDKP system to distribute loot, partly as a means of ramping up our interest in the AH. I love gold runs as it means I have a much better chance of getting the drop that I want. Yet when we dropped Marrowgar on Sunday and we went to distribute the loots, we were told to roll. The reason? We had to PuG a couple of players from outside the guild. So the big effect of guildies getting themselves saved to ICC is that we cannot use gold to bid on the drops and have to instead press the horrible ‘/roll’. I tend to sacrifice a small child just before hitting enter, you know, for luck.
It’s worth mentioning that there are a couple of dagger drops in Trial of the Crusader, but these are only worth getting on heroic mode, and even then it is a small upgrade from a 232 weapon. There is a real dagger brick wall in end-game WoW at the moment. And we all know that a rogue lives and dies on their weapons. It’s not worth trying to PuG these raids as you are certain to get a fail group. It’s a tricky situation for us dagger dependant rogues and unless I get very lucky I seem to be in a right pickle.
May 18, 2010 at 9:43 am
If we add that 24% of the guild’s lvl80 are rogues (very surprising in a PvP guild), this becomes nastier than ever.
However I’m sure that sooner or later they drop.
I’m also sure that the ilvl 264 drops we got Sunday will significantly decrease the number of “traitors”.
Remember that last time we failed on Worms. One could easily believe that it’s better to PuG. We have to prove that we worth raiding with, and I believe, we just did.
May 18, 2010 at 9:45 am
PS: also, this was an unlucky week with Marrowgar being weekly, so it was impossible to find people to join at Saurfang. Next week will be easier.
May 18, 2010 at 9:58 am
Is there a viable PvP non-dagger spec?
I’m thinking Subtlety, here, since I seem to recall Combat being good for nothing but crazy burst, but with fewer survival tools. (Probably good for *ganking*, actually).
‘cos that gets you access to the Lootship axe and the Battered Hilt, just in easily puggable territory.
May 18, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Yes, you are a social, shame on you! But really, it only makes sense to help those who help the guild and therefore help you. Someone who raids elsewhere is less useful, so why waste effort on him?
GDKP seems easy enough to use in PUGs. Why not keep using it if you have to bring in a few outside?
May 18, 2010 at 3:25 pm
I agree with Kleps, why not use GDKP with a few PuGs? Just tell them that’s what you are doing up front.
I suppose some would say no, but you might be able to explain that in a GDKP run, if something drops that everybody really wants, everybody who doesn’t get it ends up with a pile of gold, as opposed to just drowning their sorrows in mage keyboard tears.
May 18, 2010 at 4:56 pm
The solution is within your grasp – Dump the project, find a better server with another guild who do run 25 man regularly, another pvp partner and enjoy yourself with better weapons.
(You might even persuade your current arena partner to come with you)
Carpe Diem
May 18, 2010 at 5:46 pm
@Gevlon; Klep and Gnome of Zurich have a point: why can’t we do gdkp runs for pugs as well? In fact, if we begin to clear ICC regularly, it could be a source of income for us considering how desperate players are on Alliance to get into a good ICC run.
@Inquisitor; combat unfortunately isn’t viable at all for pvp, believe me I tried. When I see a rogue pop killing spree in a battleground or Arena I mentally rub my hands together with glee.
@Chewy; I like your style, but I’m having fun with the project. This is just a frustrating barrier – barriers can be overcome.
May 18, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Deathwhisperer drops a 1.8 dag called heartseeker or something close, it has the energy proc. Using two of these wouldn’t kill you, although you won’t gain much uptime from a 2nd dag.
May 18, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Fantastic dagger, but only available on 25man version. So at this point, no good.
May 18, 2010 at 7:17 pm
obvious solution appears to me is to do PUG ICC25s
though from memory you’re on a pretty fail server. are there any regular PUGs? finding a regular run iwth another ICC25 might be an option.