I was on wowhead yesterday when I saw the new rogue talents for Cata at the top of the screen. I was like, whoah … no man, what the hell is this? Is this real? I then forgot all about it and went to bed cause that’s how I roll, but this morning it’s getting a big beat-up on wow.com so I suppose that it is real.
For those of you who don’t want to listen to me and just get on with it, here is the talent calculator and here is wowheads take on it.
So have you looked through all of those? I hope you have because I’m not going to repass over what they have already written. Here are my general thoughts:
Assassination tree.
It’s assiasination tree or nothing for PvP with their 51 point talent of Vendetta. 30 seconds of stealth negation means that it’s a no-brainer to open this when coming into an arena match and seeing nobody. Which will be interesting as rogue v rogue. A long-range sap macro with your mouse will be extra special in these moments which will combine nicely with the new tier 2 talent of blackjack. The tier 10 venomous wounds talent being so deep in this tree also helps for pvp as this is rogues only DoT ability.
Combat tree.
So it looks like blizzard wants rogues to be back up tanks now. Reinforced leather? This one is weird to me, it just sticks out from nowhere. It’s high enough in the combat tree that mutilate pvp rogues could spec down to it if they want it for PvP. I don’t know what to think about this one. Why not just give us mail so at least we can annoy hunters too? It’s a 5 point talent which means that if you’re going to take it you need to waste a lot of points on it. CQC and Hack & Slash are gone as we knew they would be, which is great as all weapon combos are now up for grabs. And the tier 10 resteless blades means that combat is still the cooldown tree par excellence.
Subtlety tree.
I’ve never played sublety, so I really have no clue what to say. Master of Deception is gone though which I like very much as it makes a level playing field on stealth. The changes to Honor Among Thieves are pretty impressive though, which could really make this tree a viable PvE spec. 100% chance to get a combo point every 2 seconds when another raid member crits whether damage or heals? You’re just going to have a steady stream of combo points.
Someone came up with this build for combat on the wowhead comments. I don’t know whether I would put the 5 point in relentless strikes or put them in vile and improved poisons, (which would also let you go down to Cold Blood and Fleet Footed instead of wasting a point in Blade twisting), but the real point of showing this build is that with all the changes, with all the carry on about really mixing it up, it still kinda looks the same as now.
Anyway, these trees are a work in progress so don’t expect it to be the finished product.
June 11, 2010 at 10:30 am
Again Im dissapointed in the Assassination end teir talent. As you rightfully point out it will be useful for arena etc but it just seems…. boring. Almost hunters mark esk *shrug* it may just be I was wanting a nice damage move like killing spree so am a bit bitter
The one talent which looks very nice for pvp is blackjack
June 11, 2010 at 10:33 am
Oops forgot to say Murderous Intent I think would be better served in the subtlety tree I think, from memory I cant remember using backstab too often on my Assassination rogue, times may have changed I suppose.
June 11, 2010 at 10:50 am
i used to enjoy your posts…. or something like that. all that matters is if blizz will fix retardins… for me as a palaplayer since vanilla thats all what counts!
we will be back… facerollin’ all over you… loved that few days of steamrollin’ through hordes of well… hordeplayers.
oh… btw… are there other bloggers in the pvpguild? need some more reading about it befor switching to nongerman speaking realm.
June 11, 2010 at 11:08 am
This is possibly the dumbest post I’ve seen in a very long time. Hats off to you sir, for hitting a fantastic new low of mental inadequacy.
To the OP: The talents don’t look all that bad but what I wanted to discuss was the reinforced armor. I don’t see a problem with that at all. Combat has always been the leveling spec and more armor just screams leveling and PvP to me. The reasons they wont give you mail armor are simple. Then druids would be the only people rolling on leather gear. Mail also clinks when you walk around(Turn up your sound to hear it, it’s there) which isn’t conducive with sneaking around.
June 11, 2010 at 11:29 am
nice… you dont get it… i see… was in reference of some old post… but nevermind
June 11, 2010 at 11:34 am
Post: 28th of may. just for you… there are people who dont give a shit about rogues but love to read through adams posts
June 11, 2010 at 11:41 am
http://thenoisyrogue.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/i-used-to-enjoy-your-posts/
for info
June 11, 2010 at 11:56 am
i think he doesent read much if this was the dumbest post in a very long time…
was no no trolling or whatever so maybe you shouldnt be so serouis on a blog like this? thought we are all here cause we like adams writings that are faaaaaaaaaaaaar away from being serouis. maybe i was wrong… whatever…
June 11, 2010 at 11:57 am
I love it when you guys do my work for me.
Snieh; yeah, I suppose it could be used for levelling, I didn’t think of that. The mail armor was just a bit of tongue in cheek.
June 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm
i thought they would take all those talents out that are “not fun”… and that sounds to me like “not fun”…
5% crit are “not fun” so they took them out… so why is more armor “fun”?
June 11, 2010 at 12:18 pm
I was thinking exactly the same thing. More armor percentage is defintely a “not fun passive” talent.
June 11, 2010 at 12:54 pm
More armor is definitely a fun talent. To the healer of the average rogue…
June 11, 2010 at 2:16 pm
More armour to make Rogues easier to heal, well maybe, but doesn’t jump out at me as the primary reason. Would it be a precedence ? I can’t think of another example where Blizzard have done that.
I think Sneih is closest with his comment about leveling and PVP. More survivability for those who try and play rogues as if they’re warriors. Thanks Blizz, can you help us play with our knuckles like paladins ?
(Oh and I also agree with Sneih’s observation that the post prior to his was exceptionally dumb, the reference to Adam’s earlier post is scant mitigation for such idiocy.)
June 12, 2010 at 9:13 pm
More Armor doesn’t really help, as most AOE tends to be magic damage with the exception of BONESTOOOORM. And if you’re raiding ICC you should be Feinting pretty regularly anyways.
Regarding Vendetta, and to the people complaining about it; keep in mind that it can be lined up with potions/Bloodlust/Shattering Throw/fight mechanics that increase damage taken to make it much stronger than just a 20% damage buff.
June 14, 2010 at 11:15 am
its still a shit end of teir ability though…..
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June 29, 2010 at 5:32 am
i am going to give combat pvp a go, i cant see cause im using my fone but is it possible to do killing spree and then prep in sub tree? Coz that would be fun…. Extra armour yeh is mainly for levelling same with the hot we get however saying it is for levelling are you telling me you are not going to spec into it? Watch the new arenas be about survival rather than burst dps