A comment yesterday on my post on loot for the Ruby Sanctum:
“… got ribspreader off of rotface after a few runs but lungbreaker took me like 2 – 2 1/2 months to get to drop, which i won and got last week but blizz definately needs to increase the drop rate of daggers in their raids …”
Does Blizzard really need to increase the drop rate of weapons or do they need to think about putting a few more in game? I did a little checking on the wowhead database this morning for rogue drops for items from ilvl 251 to 277. Here are the numbers for you:
Chest pieces: 8.
Feet: 4
Hands: 6
Head: 5
Legs: 7
Shoulders: 7
Waist: 4
Wrist: 4
The first thing that pricks my attention there is that if you’re running in a GDKP run you don’t want to be spending too much cash on chest, leg or shoulder pieces as compared to the others, simply because there are a lot more of them to go around. Why so many chest pieces to choose from? Do we really care that much about our chest piece? The one that sticks out the most are the feet though as there are no badge feet pieces available. And if you’re in a 10 man raid you can only get a feet drop from one boss, Prince Valanar. Is this purposely done so that leatherworkers will feel like they have a point in life so as to make their Footpads of inpending death and cost us all a tidy fortune for them?
How many daggers do we have? Well, if you run in a 10 man group you have a grand total of 2 daggers to choose from. That’s it. There is another one on the Lich King but considering such a low percentage of guilds have got him down I don’t know if it’s that fair to include it as a regular drop. 25 mans can include two ilvl 258 daggers from Trail of the Crusader, so their total is 4, or 5 if you include the Lich King drop.
But compared to the numbers for other items, in particular chest, shoulder and leg pieces, (which are also available from badge vendors), these numbers are pathetic. Thankfully in Cataclysm the loot lists between 10 and 25 man runs are the same. But still, if they have the same number of weapons to other items it is still going to be a long slow crawl to finally get the pieces that you need.
June 23, 2010 at 9:26 am
You already wrote about it and I told it’s NOT a progression instance. It’s a loot pinata for “freindly heplfull ppl”.
BTW on yesterday raid Soulbreaker dropped and was taken by Livia for minimal bid. Bloodshiper also dropped, no one wanted it and I did not let it disenchanted, I have it just to show you!
June 23, 2010 at 9:48 am
I’m not writing about Ruby Sanctum, but about end game drops as a whole.
Soulbreaker eh? I knew I shouldn’t have gone out to dinner with my wife …
June 23, 2010 at 10:00 am
“Bloodshiper also dropped, no one wanted it and I did not let it disenchanted, I have it just to show you!”
nice one!
so… who said you to were best friends?
June 23, 2010 at 10:40 am
We have a special relationship. He likes to tease me and I like to pretend that I ignore it.
June 23, 2010 at 11:44 am
ah… i see… did this with my roommate till the day (i think it was the hole tbc expansion) he bought this little fucking hardware keylogger from thinkgeek and deleted all my chars. try explainig that to a gm…
he stopped laughing when i “borrowed” some dogs to take a dump in his bed… you wouldnt belive how easy it is to find strangers with dogs to do that
June 23, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Guys, it’s “Blood Sipper”, someone who sips blood rather than “Blood Shipper” which is the blood transfusion service in most countries.
You’re entirely right though Adam, the lack of weapon drops is a constant frustration to all Rogues, even those running regularly.
Is it only daggers, I haven’t checked the swords, axes or mace that are available ?
June 23, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Well, the thing with swords, axes and maces, and fists for that matter, is that you can combine them, particularly in Cataclysm now that the weapon specializations are gone from the combat talent tree. Daggers on the other hand … not so much.
June 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I think that weapons for rogue are lacking ON PURPOSE.
The point is to make rogues aware of their own big potential, and make them sure that they don’t need uber-dagger to be uber themself! ^^
(Just jocking, obviously: being a noob 5/12 in a guild which run ICC10 you can guess how this sad situation hit me bad… :-\)
June 23, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Well if you narrow it down to BiS then obviously its a lot less and takes a lot longer. Chances are if you take a closer look at the lists most theorycrafters will know which chest to really bid on and which to pass or which to take as a temporary upgrade.
As to daggers my hunter has 2x heroic lungbreakers just because it pisses off the rogues who weren’t in the raid. Theres a reasonable amount of them in ICC in my opinion. The trouble is at the moment there’s only 1 viable spec that uses them they can’t really afford to pump the instance full of them. It’s the same with ranged weapons for hunters.
June 23, 2010 at 4:49 pm
There were some epic discussions on Blizzard’s forums about loot but they have a clear mind of weapons drops atm:
“you can get them only with enough effort.”
That’s the reason why they removed it from honor awards (and lately from emblem’s shops). As a result people started to farm raids. I must note that only item Blizzard wanted people to farm were trinkets, but WG’s ones and battlemasters + emblem-purchasable eliminated that surge. So the only reason players farm raids now are weapons.
June 23, 2010 at 7:48 pm
You missed the raid today too: Frost Giant’s cleaver HEROIC, Livia for minbid
June 24, 2010 at 8:10 am
I was watching Australia get drop-kicked out of the World Cup. And this is me not reacting to your taunts …
June 26, 2010 at 10:04 pm
I have been doing 10 man ICC for about a month now, and have done a couple of 25 mans. I have been with groups that have defeated Rotface but have never seen any daggers drop…as of yet.
Woodins Lucky Necklace (not sure of name) did drop and a DK rolled higher than me and won it. He siad it was a upgrade…lol..his gs was already way above mine.
I really enjoy your posts!!!
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