My post yesterday received a few comments on my expressed disappointment at being removed from a number of other bloggers blog lists. Here is one such example;
“… “Saying that, it has been somewhat disappointing to see the number of blog lists that I have been culled from in the last few days. Freedom of expression must include the right to offend.”
It does include the right to offend. However, if you exercise the right to offend, don’t be surprised or disappointed when people are offended, that’s really fairly insane you know.”
A number of commenters assumed that my motivation at disappointment was on a personal level, ie; “they don’t like me anymore thus I am sad.” Nothing could be further from the truth, (the number of misconceptions in the comments was ironic indeed when one considers that the topic of the post was to try and think outside your own personal box of experiences).
Let us take a moment and consider what is the purpose of a blog list. On the most basic level it can be construed on the part of the blogger as, “who I like and who I don’t like.” I am sure that many bloggers base their list on just this criteria alone, (with the ones on the list being the ones liked or in favor), but it is an extremely facile and juvenile one. It is akin to being in a popular group and not much else. The next level would be something like bloggers who give the same information, for example my list of fellow rogue bloggers. But what I consider to be of extreme importance is the final level, and that is people who write things worth reading, even if they hold dissenting views to ones own. These are still bloggers that I feel are worth a look, even though I may not necesarily agree with them.
I have faith in my readers for them to make up their own minds on a topic. This is the reason why I include blogs on my blog list of bloggers who have different views than my own, and even some who don’t like me much at all. It is my responsibility to pass these links on to my readership so that they have the freedom to decide things for themselves. When I wrote yesterday that freedom of speech means the right to offend I did not mean that being offended thus automatically means a culling of contact, as this brings the exchange of differing ideas to an end. This is the reason for my disappointment at being removed from blog lists.
I want to take a quick note to point out however, that Larisa from The Pink Pigtail Inn personally contacted me to inform me of her decision to remove me from her own blog list, (the only one to do so). We had a very pleasant exchange of emails, and while I do not agree with her decision, I certainly respect it and above all respect the way in which it was done. I also wish to draw attention to Klepsacovic at Troll Racials are Overpowered. Even though he does not agree with me on many things, (and in fact wrote several posts over the last week about how much he does in fact diasagree with me), I remain on his list, something which gives me a great deal of respect for him.
We as bloggers have a responsibility to treat our readers as free thinking intelligent people. Giving them the tools to decide for themselves is a major part of this.
September 2, 2010 at 10:16 am
Two points:
For simple socials the “worth reading” is inseparable form “I like him”. For a social, liking is everything. If I don’t like you, you are wrong and stupid and surely abuse goats.
Secondly: if someone writes a blog that attracts socials, he – even if he is not one – must be aware of the “group of friends” effect. His social readers will assume that everyone on his list are his friends (as they would keep only friends on the list), and say “if you are friend of Adam, you are a bad person and I don’t read you”. So if he wants to keep social readers, he must remove you from the list.
September 2, 2010 at 10:18 am
Both valid points. Unfortuately a blogger or writer who follows such a line of reasoning is someone who is a slave to his own readership, and thus in the end not able to think for himself even on his own blog.
September 2, 2010 at 1:28 pm
What confuses me is that you are concerned that a group of people whose opinions are not worth reading are eliminating you from their blog lists because they think your opinions are not worth reading.
September 2, 2010 at 10:50 am
On an unrelated note, does the smileyface at the very bottom of your blog have a meaning?
September 2, 2010 at 11:02 am
I’ve never noticed it before. Somewhat sinister now I look at it …
September 2, 2010 at 12:35 pm
just the wpstats img 😉
September 2, 2010 at 11:08 am
well to be honest i ended up removing righteous orbs from my feed reader after reading the post concerning yourself. For me it was totally out of order in the fact they not only misrepresented you but actually resorted to name calling and including rape legislation etc is just ludicrous. Its a game ffs lets keep real life issues seperate and just enjoy it for what it is.
September 2, 2010 at 11:50 am
i dont get it at all… but hey… nice seeing you back… lets hope it stays this way!
September 2, 2010 at 11:51 am
I like turtles.
September 2, 2010 at 11:55 am
To further expand on the above point and to quote a proverbial Wise Man ‘Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody’s got one and everyone thinks everyone else’s stinks’.
September 2, 2010 at 12:56 pm
Do you think the recent past will cause you to write differently than before or at least make you more aware of your readers.
If it does I would think it would be not good. People in general are flawed and to write as though this is not the case is wrong. People are being edited, hair brushed to being perfect and this is not natural.
Politically correct people are are truly dangerous for many reasons.
September 2, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Same smiley on Spink’s, Pugnacious … I think is an attempt from Gevlon for worldwide blog dominance (call me paranoid)
September 2, 2010 at 1:09 pm
True strength in writing belongs to those that aren’t swayed by those vocal about what they put in print no?
Imo you can’t write about something that you dont have strong convictions for/against. Well you can, but down that route lies medicority.
Something tells me that The Noisy Rogue’s writing won’t be effected by controvesy.
September 2, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Dude, stop fucking caring.
If retarded emotional socials unable of analytical thinking or any other type of philosophical reasoning except their narrow views decide that they dont like you anymore, why should you bother to defend yourself?
Seriously, do what Gevlon does. Post your idea, arguement it and let posterity decide its validity. Dont get bothered with these whiny forumers or you’ll lose your nerves.
September 2, 2010 at 2:04 pm
I advise you to put this behind you. You delt with a highly sensitive issue and a lot of people became rather emotional over it. Don’t turn this into a back and fourth war with other bloggers. Doesn’t seem a worthwhile practice in the end.
Perhaps it would be best to return to your regular topics.
September 2, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Everyone’s blogroll means something different.
1) I endorse these blogs
2) I read these blogs
3) These blogs have a similar theme to mine
4) These blogs may be informative to my readers
5) I am trying to attract readers to these blogs
My blogroll is somewhere a blend of 2 and 4: I put on my blogroll what I read and then categorize by theme so that readers may find blogs in the category they need. I confess that I “skim” many blogs that aren’t about stuff that I play (like the how-to-death-knight articles) but keep them on my blogroll for the sake of #4.
A “featured” blogroll is somewhere between 1 and 5. They are blogs that I really like or they are new blogs that I don’t know if I like yet but I’m trying to give them a helping hand.
I don’t have any roleplay blogs on my blogroll. I don’t read them and I don’t think they are informative to my readers when they come looking for information (they’re not coming to my site to learn about lore, that’s for sure). It’s not a spiteful move or a political statement. They just have no place on my blog.
The point of this example is to illustrate that there are so many reasons for putting someone on the blogroll and taking someone off – and there’s no real “standard” or right way to do it. I take people off my “featured” blogroll all the time because they don’t need the exposure anymore. I take people off my standard blogroll on a regular basis because they go on hiatus, and I want to keep my blogroll clean of inactive blogs (I still keep them in my personal feed reader, but not on the site). I’ve been taken off people’s blogrolls as I broadened the focus from healing/druid to all sorts of crap.
I may not always agree with you, but say what you want.
September 2, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Reading your blog yesterday was like walking back into your local bar the day after there had been a coach load of people in who’d caused a huge fight. There was still a few bits of broken glass lying around, the odd boarded up mirror but it was more or less business as usual.
Today we’re talking about the impact it had, by this time next week it will all be forgotten.
There’s no such thing as bad experience, only experience.
September 2, 2010 at 5:49 pm
‘There’s no such thing as bad experience, only experience’
That doesn’t make sense and anyway next week you won’t remember anyway!
September 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm
🙂
You’re right, I probably won’t.
The meaning of the phrase is that categorising experience as either bad or good is meaningless, it’s just experience, from which you can choose to learn or ignore.
September 2, 2010 at 4:26 pm
The upside is, Adam, that you’ve likely been added to more than a few readers/blog lists, because you had the tenacity to stick your neck out (and keep it out) on a powder keg of an issue. Be assured, there are still a number of us who know the value of opposing viewpoints.
September 2, 2010 at 7:10 pm
I have to be honest: I’d really been considering removing the link, but I didn’t want to suddenly ditch it over a few days of posts I didn’t enjoy or agree with. It’s not as if you are a murderous sociopath.
In a way I’m a bit ashamed of these last few days. I can’t see exactly how, but somehow we all anded up drifting way off our usual subjects. I’m sure a lot of readers liked the change of pace, but I’m also sure a lot wondered wtf was going on. I’ll go with my usual system and blame foreigners.
September 2, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Bloody foreigners, you can’t go anywhere overseas without bumping into them.
September 2, 2010 at 7:14 pm
This has forced me to bookmark your home page as I can no longer access your page from the Pink Pigtail Inn.
Although I often disagree with the opinions you expressed in recent posts, in all but one case I would qualify them as reasonable in the sense that I could have arrived at the same conclusion had I given the same (apparent) relative weight to your arguments.
The one thing which made me raise an eyebrow was the feeling you get when talking to a priest or other layman. I would classify myself as an uncaring ignostic – meaning, even if we could agree on the definition of a “god”, I would not care to look for an answer whether such a god exists – and I had plenty of civilized discussions with laymen and atheists. What is important to me is that I, and they, can explain our beliefs or non-beliefs and not try to ram “one’s truth” in the other’s throath.
But then again, I was a stranger in my own land before I became a stranger in a strange land. That, in itslef, may have helped forged my opinion 😉
September 2, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Adam, I’m still following your blog because you’ve said interesting things in the past. That your posts from the last week have gone from offensive to boring (meta-commentary is tedious) is no reason to write you off. You’ve shown that you’re not a one-note horn so I hope you’ll get back to your usual gig before long.
September 2, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Funny thing is I actually added you to mine because of your recent posts.
September 3, 2010 at 4:41 am
I wish the blog wars would end so we all could get back to reading entertaining and interesting things about WOW.
Like the old saying goes: “Never argue with a idiot becuase they will beat you down to their level were they will then win because of experience”…..or something like it.
September 3, 2010 at 7:43 am
When people are clearly in a surly mood, their friends often give them a wide berth, and let things run their course.
September 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm
It’s funny how the ‘freedom of speech’ claim gets abused in this article. there’s freedom of speech on the internet as long as it’s on your own page – don’t expect others to host you if you spread offensive content. as for sexism: like racism, homophobia and other forms of discrimination, sexism is NOT an opinion. it is not something that falls under ‘freedom of speech’, yeah maybe for internet trolls crawling out of their caves, but discrimination of any group in society is against legislated human rights and will be treated as a legal offense – I hope it is the same where you live.
so just because you can’t take what every kid already learns in kindergarten, which is ‘facing the consequences of your actions’, doesn’t mean you are being treated unfairly by other bloggers. there is no duty whatsoever to promote questionable content on one’s own blog. blogrolls are a way of support or stating “this is what I read” and I can understand why someone wouldn’t want to be associated with you.
September 3, 2010 at 12:50 pm
This was pretty good link bait. Good job. I would never read your blog otherwise and happened to stumble upon this because of the drama.
Enjoy the meaningless traffic spike!
September 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Blogrolls are crafted for each reader’s needs. Mine is a list of useful research links. The blog reader is set up for a different purpose–to keep up with folks who make me think because they post interesting articles. You don’t make the cut for number one, but you sure are on number two.
September 3, 2010 at 3:29 pm
This whole drawn-out episode pretty much helped to decide the fate of my own blog. As you will notice, there is no hyperlink with my name.
Klepsakovic distilled the essence nicely: “I can’t see exactly how, but somehow we all ended up drifting way off our usual subjects.”
The WoW blogosphere (or a signifcant portion of it, at least) suddenly had little to do with WoW.
Personally, I enjoy your blog and will continue reading. I just don’t want to be around for the next explosion…
September 3, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Why did you delete your blog? All the work that you did just gone.
September 3, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Don’t give up so fast! Look around, we’re all back where we started: talking about WoW.
@Lyster: Everyone gets to talk, but no one has to give them a megaphone. Though I’m not sure what you’re getting at about legal repercussions.
September 3, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I think he’s referring to the fact that I seem to now be a confirmed rapist.
September 3, 2010 at 7:43 pm
It’s not the blogroll, it’s the person behind the blogroll, when she deleted me. It was like someone cutting me out of the wedding picture.
September 3, 2010 at 8:50 pm
I don’t write about life issues or about player demographics.
I write about the content and what I’m doing in the content. Plain and simple.(well I also complain about the lack of advancement my raid group is making…but that happens)
Might be why I have no readers…
But anyway – I fully support you and have added you to my blog roll…just don’t expect to see a bump from me!
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September 7, 2010 at 6:06 pm
“But what I consider to be of extreme importance is the final level, and that is people who write things worth reading, even if they hold dissenting views to ones own. These are still bloggers that I feel are worth a look, even though I may not necesarily agree with them.”
“When I wrote yesterday that freedom of speech means the right to offend I did not mean that being offended thus automatically means a culling of contact, as this brings the exchange of differing ideas to an end. This is the reason for my disappointment at being removed from blog lists.”
“But don’t start crowing about femisnism and sexism and any other ism that gets your knickers in a knot. When I was at school I was openly made fun of by the girls for playing these games. Now twenty years later girls are getting worked up about the fact that those same games don’t have enough female representation in them? Give me a fucking break.”
So, this all started with you saying that there are certain people that you don’t want to communicate with on certain subjects. Now we are at the point where people are saying this back to you in a slightly different way, and you are getting upset, because you feel like it’s very important to keep reading people whose opinions are worth reading, even if they differ from your own.
Here’s a hint: just like you judged these feminists to not be worth communicating with about their feminist ideas, the people taking you off their blogroll are saying you aren’t worth communicating with for your noisyrogue ideas. Sauce for the goose is good for the gander.
September 9, 2010 at 7:31 pm
You sir, is one arrogant person.
He does say, in fact, that he is very open to other point of views. From smarter people. He’s not a mainstreamer. Shut the fuck up and learn from this guy.
September 18, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Meh. The net tries to disprove something that happens offline : “People who are concerned about what other people think of them…would be appalled by the fact that they don’t.”